Pol Pot



  1. Pol Pot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Pol Pot (/pɒl pɒt/; Khmer: ប៉ុល ពត; 19 May 1925 – 15 April 1998), born Saloth Sar (Khmer: សាឡុត ស), was a Cambodian communist revolutionary who led ...
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    Time Magazine photo essay on Pol Pot and the Cambodian genocide.
  3. Pol Pot in Cambodia 1975-1979 - The History Place

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    An attempt by Khmer Rouge leader Pol Pot to form a Communist peasant farming society resulted in the deaths of 25 percent of the country's population from ...
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Interesting Links


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Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn
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Winter Soldier
wintersoldier.com Much of the "testimony" in this "investigation" is made up. I know some of the places and units, and no such thing happened.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/10/investigate_the_winter_soldier.html

http://www.wintersoldier.com/staticpages/index.php?page=Swett_CID


Total Deaths in Vietnam



Memorial to the Cambodian Genocide

A detailed demographic study calculated 791,000 –1,141,000 war-related Vietnamese deaths, both soldiers and civilians, for all of Vietnam from 1965 to 1975. The study came up with a most likely Vietnamese death toll of 882,000, which included 655,000 adult males (above 15 years of age), 143,000 adult females, and 84,000 children.


This total contrasts with the total Democide (Murder by Government) of 1,670,000.  Nearly twice as many people were murdered by the Communist Vietnam government as died on both sides of the entire war. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolph_Rummel

Sadly, the Americans were also guilty of Democide. Professor Rummel calculates that approximately 6,000 Vietnamese were murdered by American servicemen. I am ashamed and sorry for this but it is a tiny fraction of the murder committed by the Vietnamese Communists. And certainly nothing like the lies and propoganda generated by our anti war protesters. https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/MURDER.HTM


The End of the Vietnam War

Historians have directly attributed the fall of Saigon in 1975 to the cessation of American aid. Without the necessary funds, South Vietnam found it logistically and financially impossible to defeat the North Vietnamese army. Moreover, the withdrawal of aid encouraged North Vietnam to begin an effective military offensive against South Vietnam. 

Given the monetary and military investment in Vietnam, former Assistant Secretary of State Richard Armitage compared the American withdrawal to “a pregnant lady, abandoned by her lover to face her fate." (2) Historian Lewis Fanning went so far as to say that “it was not the Hanoi communists who won the war, but rather the American Congress that lost it." (3)

In January of 1973, President Richard Nixon approved the Paris Peace Accords negotiated by Henry Kissinger, which implemented an immediate cease-fire in Vietnam and called for the complete withdrawal of American troops within sixty days. Two months later, Nixon met with South Vietnamese President Thieu and secretly promised him a “severe retaliation” against North Vietnam should they break the cease-fire. Around the same time, Congress began to express outrage at the secret illegal bombings of Cambodia carried out at Nixon’s behest. Accordingly, on June 19, 1973 Congress passed the Case-Church Amendment, which called for a halt to all military activities in Southeast Asia by August 15, thereby ending twelve years of direct U.S. military involvement in the region.

In the fall of 1974, Nixon resigned under the pressure of the Watergate scandal and was succeeded by Gerald Ford. Congress cut funding to South Vietnam for the upcoming fiscal year from a proposed 1.26 billion to 700 million dollars. These two events prompted Hanoi to make an all-out effort to conquer the South. As the North Vietnamese Communist Party Secretary Le Duan observed in December 1974: “The Americans have withdrawn…this is what marks the opportune moment." (4)

The NVA drew up a two-year plan for the “liberation” of South Vietnam. Owing to South Vietnam’s weakened state, this would only take fifty-five days. The drastic reduction of American aid to South Vietnam caused a sharp decline in morale, as well as an increase in governmental corruption and a crackdown on domestic political dissent. The South Vietnamese army was severely under-funded, greatly outnumbered, and lacked the support of the American allies with whom they were accustomed to fighting.

The NVA began its final assault in March of 1975 in the Central Highlands. Ban Me Thout, a strategically important hamlet, quickly fell to North Vietnam. On March 13, a panicked Thieu called for the retreat of his troops, surrendering Pleiku and Kontum to the NVA. Thieu angrily blamed the US for his decision, saying, “If [the U.S.] grant full aid we will hold the whole country, but if they only give half of it, we will only hold half of the country.”5 His decision to retreat increased internal opposition toward him and spurred a chaotic mass exodus of civilians and soldiers that clogged the dilapidated roads to the coast. So many refugees died along the way that the migration along Highway 7B was alternatively described by journalists as the “convoy of tears” and the “convoy of death.” 6 


On April 21, President Thieu resigned in a bitter televised speech in which he strongly denounced the United States. Sensing that South Vietnam was on the verge of collapse, the NVA accelerated its attack and reached Saigon on April 23. On the same day, President Ford announced to cheerful students at Tulane University that as far as America was concerned, “the war was over.” The war officially concluded on April 30, as Saigon fell to North Vietnam and the last American personnel were evacuated.

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Sources / References

There is a great deal of misinformation about the Vietnam war and its aftermath. Many anti war people simply made up stories that became oft quoted and then became facts and remain believed today. Example - it was widely claimed that African Americans died in much higher numbers than whites in Vietnam. In reality blacks suffered 12.5% of the deaths in Vietnam at a time when the percentage of blacks of military age was 13.5% of the total population.



I rely heavily on the work of Professor Rummel (Oct 21, 1932 – Mar 2, 2014) of the University of Hawaii who has published extensively on genocide. He uses the term democide which he defines as "the murder of any person or people by their government, including genocide, politicide and mass murder." 



Death by Government by Professor R. J. Rummel of the University of Hawaii. https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/

Other books include:


Applebaum, Anne. Gulag : A History. Doubleday, 2003.

Becker, Jasper. Hungry Ghosts: Mao’s Secret Famine. The Free Press, 1997.


Conquest, Robert. The Harvest of Sorrow: Soviet Collectivization and the Terror-Famine. University of Alberta Press, 1986.

Conquest, Robert. Kolyma: The Arctic Death Camps. Viking Press, 1978.

Conquest, Robert. The Nation Killers: The Soviet Deportation of Nationalities. Macmillan, 1970.

Heller, Mikhail and Nekrich, Aleksandr. Utopia in Power. 

History of the Soviet Union from 1917 to the Present. Summit Books, 1986.

Rummell, R. J. Death by Government. Transaction Publishers, 1994.

Solzhenitsyn, Aleksandr. The Gulag Archipelago (Volumes I-III). Harper & Row, 1973-1978.

Werth, Nicolas; Panne, Jean-Louis; Paczkowski, Andrzej; Bartosek, Karel; Margolin, Jean-Louis; Courtois, Stephane. The Black Book of Communism: Crimes, Terror, Repression. Harvard University Press, 1999.





References on Murder

Professor Rudy Rummel of the University of Hawaii has published extensive referenced and documented estimates on murder by government, which he terms democide. The tables below summarizes some of his work. It should be noted that various scholars have different opinions about deaths, especially in those totalitarian Communist Countries where little information is made available.  We know the most about Democide committed by the Nazi's and Japanese after we conquered them in World War II. We also have more information about Cambodia, who exposed the horrific murders committed by the Communist Khmer Rouge after they were deposed.  The USSR also made some information available when they exposed the murders committed by Stalin. We know less about the democide committed by Vietnam, Laos, and China, since the same evil communist government is in place.





Murder Estimates

Numerous studies and estimates have been made on the genocide committed in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia.  It is difficult to determine the actual number of people murdered. Estimates vary widely.
  
Some of the estimates are listed below.


Second Indochina War (1960-75): 4 200,000 [make link]
Vietnam War (1965-73): 1 700,000
  • Most historians of the Second Indochina War concern themselves primarily with the American Phase of the conflict, 1965-73; however, many do not specify whether their estimated death tolls cover only this phase of the war or the whole thing. An asterisk(*) indicates that the number seems to cover the entire conflict rather than just the American Phase, but check the "Sources" section to see exactly which years are covered by each authority:
  • South Vietnam military
    • 181,483 (Gilbert)
    • 185,000 to 225,000 (Britannica)
    • 220,357 (Lewy, Ency. Americana)
    • 223,748 (Summers; also 3 April 1995 AP)
    • 224,000 (Kutler, Olson)
    • 250,000 (Clodfelter, Grenville*)
    • 254,257 (Wallechinsky*, COWP [1965-75])
    • 650,000 (Small & Singer)
    • [MEDIAN: 224,000]
  • North Vietnamese military and Viet Cong
    • 444,000 (Ency. Americana)
    • 500,000 (S&S)
    • 660,000 (Olson)
    • 666,000 (Lewy, with the possibility that as many as 222,000 (1/3) of these were actually SVN civilians mistaken for VC)
    • 666,000 (Summers)
    • 700,000 (COWP [DRV 1965-75])
    • 700,000-1,000,000 (Wallechinsky*)
    • 900,000 (Britannica; Grenville*)
    • 922,290 (Gilbert [NVN soldiers + civilians + VC])
    • 1,000,000 (Clodfelter)
    • 1,100,000 (Tucker*, Official VN* [1954-75])
    • [MEDIAN: starred*: 1,000,000. unstarred: 666,000]
  • South Vietnamese civilians
    • 50,000 (Gilbert)
    • 250,000 (Olson)
    • 287,000 (Clodfelter = 247,600 war deaths + 38,954 assassinated by NLF)
    • 300,000 (Kutler; Summers)
    • 340,000 (Lewy's estimate, with the possibility that an additional 222,000 counted as VC (above) belong in this category)
    • 430,000 (The Sen. E. Kennedy Commission, according to Lewy, Olson)
    • 522,000 (Wallechinsky*)
    • 1,000,000 (Britannica [in both North and South]; Eckhardt; Grenville*)
    • 2,000,000 (Tucker*, Official VN* [N&S, 1954-75],)
    • [MEDIAN: starred*: ca. 1,500,000. unstarred: 300,000]
  • North Vietnamese civilians: 65,000 (Kutler, Lewy, Olson, Summers, Wallechinsky) by American bombing.
  • USA
    • 55,337 (Gilbert)
    • 47,378 KIA + 10,799 other = 58,177 (Official US DoD, 1964-73)
    • 58,159 (Kutler)
    • 58,153 (Wallechinsky*, COWP)
    • 58,000 (Britannica)
    • 47,244 KIA + 10,446 other = 57,690 (Olson; Summers, 1961-80)
    • 57,605 (Ency. Americana)
    • 56,146 (Lewy: 46,498 KIA + 10,388 other + 719 MIA)
    • 56,000 (S&S)
  • South Korea: 4,407 (Lewy, Olson, Summers); 4,687 (Wallechinsky, COWP); 5,000 (S&S)
  • Philippines: 1,000 (S&S)
  • Thailand: 351 (Lewy, Olson, Summers, Wallechinsky); 1,000 (S&S)
  • Australia: 469 (Lewy, Summers, Olson [w/NZ]); 492 (S&S); 494 (Wallechinsky); 520 (AWM)
  • TOTAL
    • 1,021,442 (COWP)
    • 1,216,000 (military only, S&S)
    • 1,312,000 (Summers)
    • 1,353,000 (Lewy)
    • 1,520,453 (WHPSI: S. Vietnamese only, 1965-75)
    • 1,637,000 (Olson)
    • 1,721,000 (Kutler)
    • 1,749,000 (Wallechinsky*)
    • 1,800,000 (B&J*, 1960-75)
    • 2,058,000 (Eckhardt)
    • 2,163,000 (Britannica)
    • 2,500,000 (Grenville*)
    • 3,000,000 (1965-75, Chomsky* (1987))
    • >3,100,000 (Tucker*; Official VN*)
    • 3,812,000 (Obermeyer, “Fifty years of violent war deaths...”, British Medical Journal, 336:1482, 2008*)
      • margin of error: (2,207,000 to 5,942,000)
      • in contrast, Obermeyer cites earlier Uppsala/PRIO est.: 2,096,000
  • MEDIAN TOTALS
    • * Whole conflict: [MEDIAN of TOTALS: ca. 3,000,000] or [TOTAL of MEDIANS: ca. 2,850,000]
    • American Phase (unstarred): [MEDIAN of TOTALS: ca. 1,700,000] or [TOTAL of MEDIANS: ca. 1,300,000]
Sub-Wars
  • In addition to the American Phase of the War, there are four tangental conflicts which are sometimes discussed as part of the Vietnam War, but usually considered peripheral:
    1. Vietnamese Civil War, internal phase, 1960-65
      • Clodfelter, 1961-64
        • South Vietnam, military: 21,442
        • Communist: 71,000
        • Civilian: 160,000
        • TOTAL: 252,442
      • Chomsky (1987):
        • 1957-61: 66,000 VC (p.274, citing B. Fall), 80,000 Vietnamese (p.323)
        • 1961-4/65: 89,000 VC
        • to mid 1966: 60,000 ("enemy" (McNamara) - "probably" including civilians (Chomsky))
        • Total, 1954-65: 160-170,000 VNese (p.324)
      • S&S: 300,000 battle deaths, 1960-65
      • Eckhardt: 200,000 civ. + 100,000 mil. = 300,000 (1960-65)
      • COWP: 302,000
        • RVN: 300,000
        • USA: 2,000
      • Young: NLF lost 100,000 dead 1961-(?)64
      • WHPSI:
        • 21,686 deaths by political violence in South Vietnam, 1960-64
        • 4,021 from 1955 to 1959
    2. Cambodian Civil War (1970-75): 600,000
      • Chomsky (1987): half a million to a million.
      • Rummel, 1954-75:
        • War Dead: 429,000
        • Democide: 288,000
        • TOTAL: 717,000
      • Tucker: 10% of 7M [which comes to 700,000]
      • Clodfelter; also Wallechinsky (1970-75)
        • Cambodian govt.: 50,000
        • Total violent deaths, incl. Comm. and civ.: >250,000
        • Total war-related deaths, incl. hunger: 600,000
      • T. Lomperis, From People's War to People's Rule (1996), citing a Finnish commission: 600,000
      • MEDIAN: ca. 0.5-0.6M
      • Chirot: 500,000
      • B&J: 300,000
      • SIPRI 1989: 156,000
      • S&S, 1970-73
        • Cambodia: 150,000
        • USA: 500
        • SVietnam: 5,000
        • NVietnam: 500
        • TOTAL: 156,000
      • Eckhardt: 156,000
      • COWP
        • Cambodia: 50,000
        • USA: 500
        • SVietnam: 5,000
        • NVietnam: 500
        • TOTAL: 185,000
      • WHPSI: 55,750 k. by pol.viol., 1970-75
    3. Laos
      • Wallechinsky, 1959-75: 250,000
      • Martin Stuart-Fox A History of Laos: 200,000 by 1973, incl. 30,000 Hmong.
      • Rummel, 1954-75:
        • War Dead: 32,000
        • Democide: 38,000
        • TOTAL: 70,000
      • Obermeyer, “Fifty years of violent war deaths from Vietnam to Bosnia”, British Medical Journal, 336:1482 (2008): 62,000 killed
        • in contrast, Obermeyer cites earlier Uppsala/PRIO est.: 18,000-20,000
      • Eckhardt: 12,000 civ. + 12,000 mil. = 24,000 (1960-73)
      • S&S, 1960-73
        • Laos: 5,000 (1960-62), 15,000 (1963-73)
        • USA: 500
        • NVietnam: 3,000
        • TOTAL: 23,500
      • WHPSI: 22,355 k. by pol.viol., 1963-72
      • T. Lomperis, From People's War to People's Rule (1996): 20,000 Meo irregulars and 15,000 Royal Lao Army
      • Harff & Gurr: 18-20,000 Meo tribemen were victims of genocide, 1963-65
    4. Vietnamese Civil War, final phase, 1973-75
      • Young, citing Pentagon estimates:
        • ARVN: 26,500 (1973) + 30,000 (1974)
        • PRG/DRV: 39,000 (1973) + 61,000 (1974)
        • Civilians: 15,000
        • [TOTAL: 171,500 killed in the "Cease-Fire War".]
  • [My guess is 3.5M for the Vietnam conflict, plus .6M for Cambodia, plus 62,000 in Laos]
Atrocities:
  • Lewy:
    • 36,725 civilians assassinated by VC/NVA, 1957-72
    • 2,800 civilians executed and 3,000 missing after Hue was captured by VC/NVA, 1968
    • 400 civilians massacred by USAns in the area of Son My village, incl. 175-200 in My Lai hamlet, 1968
    • Because of the lack of weapons recovered from many bodies, Lewy considers the possibility that up to 222,000 VC KIA may have actually been innocent bystanders. (Or maybe not. Poor evidence either way.)
  • Harff & Gurr: 475,000 civilians in NLF areas were victims of repressive politicide, 1965-72
  • Young: Hue massacre, 1968:
    • Officially: 2,800-5,700
    • Len Ackland: 300-400
  • Chomsky (1987): 21,000 VC civilian officials assassinated under US/GVN Phoenix project (-in text. Endnote gives estimates ranging 40-48,000.). Lewy considers these to be (mostly) legitimate military targets.
  • October 22, 2003 Toledo Blade: Tiger Force (US) committed ongoing atrocities in Quang Nam province, July-Nov 1967. Incomplete records show 81 murders. The unit reported 1000+ enemies killed, but it sounds like a lot of those weren't legit. From the article details, I'd guess they murdered a few hundred (300±) civilians. [http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20031022/SRTIGERFORCE/110190169]
  • Hanson:
    • VN civilians k. by indiscriminate American bombing: 50,000
    • VN civilians k. by indiscriminate Communist rocketing, artillery and terrorism: 400,000
  • Rummel:
    • 51,000 democides by South Vietnam (1963-75), incl...
      • executions: 30,000
      • forced relocations: 5,000 dead
      • prison deaths: 5,000
    • 166,000 democides by NVN/VC in SVN:
      • Officials assassinated: 17,000
      • Civilians assassinated: 49,000
      • Refugees killed, 1975: 50,000
      • Misc: 50,000
    • 6,000 democides by USA
Vietnam War Sources:
  • Britannica: not specified, but the implication is that the statistics cover the entire war.
  • Clodfelter, Michael, Vietnam in Military Statistics (1995)
  • COWP: Correlates of War Project. Covers the years 1965-75 [http://www.correlatesofwar.org/cow2%20data/WarData/InterState/Inter-State%20War%20Participants%20(V%203-0).htm]
  • Eckhardt: covers the years 1965-75 (unless otherwise noted)
  • Encyclopedia Americana (2003), "Vietnam War"
  • Grenville: does not specify which years are covered, but by context, it seems to be 1960-75
  • Hanson, Victor Davis, "Tet, January 31-April 6, 1968," Carnage and culture (2001)
  • Kutler, Stanley: Encyclopedia of the Vietnam War (1996)
  • Lewy, Guenter, America in Vietnam (1978): Lewy's estimates cover the years 1965-74. (u.o.n.)
  • Official VN: On the 20th Anniversary of the war's end, Hanoi announced its official tally of losses for 21 years of war: 1954-75 [3 April 1995 AP; 30 April 1995Washington Post. Herald Sun, April 5, 1995; Plain Dealer (Cleveland, Ohio), January 1, 1996; Financial Times (London,England), April 5, 1995; Xinhua News Agency, APRIL 3, 1995; United Press International, February 25, 1997. (5 Nov. 2004) See also, Common Mistake #2]
  • Olson, James: Dictionary of the Vietnam War (1988): covers the years 1965-74 (u.o.n.)
  • Summers, Harry: Vietnam War Almanac (1985)
  • Tucker, Spencer, Encyclopedia of the Vietnam War (1998)
  • Wallechinsky: death tolls apparently cover the years 1957-75. (u.o.n.)
  • Young, Marilyn, The Vietnam Wars: 1945-1990 (1991)



Cambodia, Khmer Rouge (1975-1978): 1,650,000 [make link]
  • Pol Pot's reign of terror is probably the second most widely publicized genocide of the century, so it's pretty easy to find estimates:
    • Math Ly, member of Cambodian Politburo: 3,300,000 (21 May 1987 AP)
    • Rummel: 2,000,000 domestic + 35,000 foreign democides
    • SIPRI 1989: 2,000,000
    • Elizabeth Becker When the War Was Over (1986): as many as 2,000,000
    • D. Smith: 1 to 3 million
    • Eckhardt: 1,500,000 civ. + 500,000 mil. = 2,000,000
    • War Annual 6: 2,000,000
    • Kutler, Stanley: Encyclopedia of the Vietnam War (1996): 2M
    • Courtois, Stephane, Le Livre Noir du Communism: 1,300,000 to 2,300,000
    • Clodfelter, Michael, Vietnam in Military Statistics (1995): 1,200,000 to 2,000,000
    • Wallechinsky: between 1 and 2 million.
    • Dict.Wars: 1M ("Cambodian Civil War of 1970-75") to 2M ("Kampuchean Civil War of 1978-98")
    • P. Johnson: 1,200,000.
    • Marie Martin, Cambodia, a Shattered Society (1994) cites:
      • US State Dept.: 1.2-1.8M
      • Demographer En Meng Try: 1.0-1.2M
    • Encarta: "...may have caused more than 1 million..."
    • Chandler, David, Brother Number One (1992): "conservative estimate" of 800,000 to 1,000,000.
    • Marilyn Young, The Vietnam Wars: 1945-1990 (1991): in the text she gives the range of estimates as 0.7 to 2.0 M. In a footnote, she favorably cites Michael Vickery's estimate of 700,000 to 1,000,000.
    • Chomsky (1987): 750,000, citing Vickery.
  • These are the numbers quoted in Pol Pot's 1998 obituaries:
    • "more than 1 million" (New York Times, Newsweek, Time)
    • "1.5 million or more" (Washington Post)
    • "up to 2 million" (U.S. News and World Reports)
  • Ben Kiernan in The Pol Pot Regime (also in "The Cambodian Genocide", Century of Genocide: Eyewitness Accounts and Critical Views, Samuel Totten, editor, 1997) estimates 1,671,000 (21%) killed out of a population of 7,890,000, including...
    • Vietnamese: 10,000 (100%)
    • Chinese: 215,000 (50%)
    • Lao: 4,000 (40%)
    • Thai: 8,000 (40%)
    • Cham: 90,000 (36%)
    • Urban Khmer: 500,000 (25%)
    • Rural Khmer: 825,000 (16%)
  • Average: If we take these 25 estimates and figure that "more than" means 20% more, while "up to" means 20% less, and "between" means dead center, then both the median and mean of all these estimates is 1.6M